1. Nirav Shah (ASPIRE Director): I think sites are interested in identifying
the reason for GA at their institution and seeing if there are any
interventions to reduce conversion rate
iii. Ron George (UCSF): We have been working on this for a while at UCSF as our
rate is approximately 12%. We created three different buckets for reasons for
conversion to GA so we can track this better. The reasons we developed for
documenting these conversion reasons in Epic are:
1. Patient comorbidities
2. Failure of regional technique
3. Failure to use regional technique due to timing
iv. Wandana Joshi (Dartmouth): We are interested in this measure too. Are other
sites looking at DPE rates?
v. Angel Martino-Horrall (Sparrow): We trialed the DPE technique at our
institution for a while and it did not make a difference in failure rate or quality
of the block. We are not a training institution though, so the majority of our
providers are experienced providers
vi. Ron George (UCSF): We use a fair amount of CSE (60%) and DPE (40%) and they
all fail
vii. Christine Warrick (University of Utah): A recent abstract presented at ASA by the
University of Chicago showed a 15% decrease in c-section conversion rate to GA
in morbidly obese patients when using DPE compared to CSE.
viii. Nirav Shah (MPOG Director): We have a need for standardization of
documentation around reasons for conversion to GA. If others can share
screenshots of their build, we can work with Epic to share the code and try to
standardize the documentation
ix. Joshua Younger (Henry Ford Detroit): Some of the issues may be coming from
not enough frequent rounding on the floor to assess the epidural. If you have a
method of documenting that you checked in with the patient and checked the
level, you may be able to better find epidurals that stopped working a few hours
prior. I would like to see some sort of measure to see how often we are
checking in on the labor floor
x. Ron George (UCSF): Trying to implement assessment of epidural within the first
hour of placement to determine efficacy of block; looking to document: pain
with contraction, Dermatome block right/left, an original bromage scale right
and left
xi. Antonio Gonzalez (Yale): When we look at failed epidural catheters for c-
sections, looking at how many boluses the patient got and how comfortable the
patient was after block was placed. If the patient got more than 3 or 4 boluses,
we assess the record to see if we missed something with the patient care. The
epidural likely should have been replaced. For GA, another benchmark should
be looking at elective c-sections (which should have a much lower rate)
compared to general anesthesia for urgent or emergent cases.
xii. Carlos Delgado (University of Washington): At UW, we have stipulated q2h
rounding for epidurals – gets tough if you have a busy floor, but it’s doable; and
catheter replacement if >2 boluses
e. Will post to the ASPIRE forum as we continue to develop this measure. Some questions
we have currently:
i. Exclude cesarean deliveries with hysterectomy?
ii. Exclude cesarean deliveries with other procedures list
iii. Which providers should be notified/listed in associated with the case?
6. Plans for 2021
a. General subcommittee feedback
b. Call for measures survey 2021